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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 11:53 am 
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HEARD THEY WAS LIKE 400.00 BUCKS :shock: TRUE OR NOT THEY ARE .15
not the military rings (ac rings)

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:54 pm 
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I'm not sure on .15 over but I paid $30 a hole for my stock size rings


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josh_2562 wrote:
I'm not sure on .15 over but I paid $30 a hole for my stock size rings

WERE TALKING AIRCRAFT RINGS NOT MILITARY JUNK IS THAT WHAT U HAVE

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well, your post says 220 rings ! you need to lighten up on people.you and your stuff ain't so hot neither and nobodies bashing you. and when somebody replies to a post and gives additional info,their just trying to help, rick and white bear are the moderators on here so leave that stuff up to them

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swamp runner wrote:
well, your post says 220 rings ! you need to lighten up on people.you and your stuff ain't so hot neither and nobodies bashing you. and when somebody replies to a post and gives additional info,their just trying to help, rick and white bear are the moderators on here so leave that stuff up to them

what the hell are u talking about ???????

josh replied to my post his are std as he said .the milatary rings are junk its been stated 1000 times 40.00 more per cylinder seems high for 15 over is where i was coming from .....
he replied with a answer i replied with a question .never said my motor my boat my wife or house was all that so why chim in if u aint got no dame answer i see very few answers from u and alot of your swamp mouth so if u have none dont reply .... :shock:

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Try Gary Barber at Outlaw Aircraft. He may be able to get some mil spec rings for you. He doesn't handle junk. I'm sure you meant .015 over and not .15.


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Try Gary Barber at Outlaw Aircraft. He may be able to get some mil spec rings for you. He doesn't handle junk. I'm sure you meant .015 over and not .15.

dame des u added a . on me and i left out the 0 sorry thanks ill call him up

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Hit up speedwheelie on here. He can probly help you out also.

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why are military rings junk ?

first off you asked for .15 over rings witch is going to be more money and I image your price is for chormemoly rings and josh is for std steel rings so you have two things right off the bat increasing your price

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ok, they are around $100 a hole for the good ones and your post said,like i said before 220 rings. and sometimes i don't feel like replying. it doesn't matter how many times somethings been stated , be polite, u just said the man had junk, thats not cool! when u posted your jack pics i didn't say anything,THEY"RE JUNK! see thats not nice is it? didn't anybody teach u,if u can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.and no i'm not talking about anybodies family!!

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why are military rings junk ?

first off you asked for .15 over rings witch is going to be more money and I image your price is for chormemoly rings and josh is for std steel rings so you have two things right off the bat increasing your price

every one ive talked with being a builder and on sa post said they wasent worth useing :shock:
why are they junk u tell me i have no clue what the motors u rebuild and sell has them ????
if not why ??? chromemoly i dont no is that what ac rings are made of if so yes thats them and yes .15 i dident think would be that much more then std dame i need to go back car motor u ac boys have deep pockets :lol:

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no my motors don't have them but if I had a source (and I still built a 470 motors) that was cheaper for them I would not hesitate to use them most the time when people are saying stock military ring or jugs are junk are because they sat for years some even filled with water, you simple can't use stuff like that ..... well unless you have a car motor ..lol

when you hit .15 over everything gets expensive! and there are two basic rings one is steel one is chrome depending on what barrels your engine has determines what rings you want to run

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My rings were std size chrome rings. The $30 also included the oil ring.


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JAMES I WAS TOLD A LONG TIME AGO, BY A VERY WELL KNOWN A/C MAC. AND DECK OVER BUILDER, THAT NOT TO USE A AIRCRAFT RING IN A 220.HE TOLD ME THAT THE STEEL IN THE 220 WAS A SOFTER STEEL THAN IN A TRUE AIRCRAFT MOTOR.THAT TH A/C RING WOULD DESTROY THE BORE IN THE 220 CYCLENDER.IT WOULD MAKE SENCE TO ME SINCE THEY CUT EVERY CORNER THEY COULD TO MAKE THE 220 WHY TAKE A CHANE ON BEING CHEAP. JUST ORDER TH 15 OVER 220 RING THAT YOU KNOW WILL WORK AND KINT TEAR UP THE CYCLENDERS.ALSO WHILE HE HAS THER CYCLENDERS OFF E SOULD PUT THE 2ND PLUG IN THE CYCLENDER,ANS =D PUT THE SECONSD MAG UP THE FRONT OF OF THE MOR. WELL THERE IS MY 2 CENTS WORTH

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CONTINENTAL CRACKER wrote:
JAMES I WAS TOLD A LONG TIME AGO, BY A VERY WELL KNOWN A/C MAC. AND DECK OVER BUILDER, THAT NOT TO USE A AIRCRAFT RING IN A 220.HE TOLD ME THAT THE STEEL IN THE 220 WAS A SOFTER STEEL THAN IN A TRUE AIRCRAFT MOTOR.THAT TH A/C RING WOULD DESTROY THE BORE IN THE 220 CYCLENDER.IT WOULD MAKE SENCE TO ME SINCE THEY CUT EVERY CORNER THEY COULD TO MAKE THE 220 WHY TAKE A CHANE ON BEING CHEAP. JUST ORDER TH 15 OVER 220 RING THAT YOU KNOW WILL WORK AND KINT TEAR UP THE CYCLENDERS.ALSO WHILE HE HAS THER CYCLENDERS OFF E SOULD PUT THE 2ND PLUG IN THE CYCLENDER,ANS =D PUT THE SECONSD MAG UP THE FRONT OF OF THE MOR. WELL THERE IS MY 2 CENTS WORTH

MY MOTOR IS DUEL MAG ALREADY MY BUDDY HAD HIS MOTOR RERINGED SEEMED KINDA PRICEY TO PAY AROUND 400.00 FOR A SET OF RINGS HIS RINGS ARE AC RINGS THE BUILDER ORDERED THEM AND SAID IT WAS THE BEST WAY TO GO YES HIS JUGS ARE STOCK STEEL IM GOING TO GET MINE DONE LATER ON IT DONT REALLY NEED IT YET :D BUT SOONER OR LATER ITS A CONTINENTAL IT WILL :lol: RUFF PRICE 135 PER CYL HE PAID VALVE JOB, CLEAN UP CYL,RERING, LABOR AND MATERIAL

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You can't run aircraft rings in a gpu cylinder. Really man. Seriously.

Steel rings~chrome cylinders~aircraft
Chrome rings~steel cylinders~military gpu

For .015 ring sets they cost so much because they just do not make them very often anymore.
There is you answer!!!

Pretty much the advise you have gotten from "this guy who's builder did this" is WRONG! The guys posting here are right. You should listen to them or call one of the many many GPU builders out there and get the right advice.

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i have in stock .015 over aircraft rings for that motor , and all seals ,gaskets, 321-636-4897 cocoa, danny


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dblj006 wrote:
You can't run aircraft rings in a gpu cylinder. Really man. Seriously.

Steel rings~chrome cylinders~aircraft
Chrome rings~steel cylinders~military gpu

For .015 ring sets they cost so much because they just do not make them very often anymore.
There is you answer!!!

Pretty much the advise you have gotten from "this guy who's builder did this" is WRONG! The guys posting here are right. You should listen to them or call one of the many many GPU builders out there and get the right advice.





for you to say that the person that told me this information is wrong.i think this man has been building hulls and motors before you ever had an air boat. but to each his own i will listen to the folks that have been buildind boat and motor for over fourty years and has one of the be reputation around. just my two cents.i can also sat he has one about every class there has been in raceing one time or another,except for the unlimited class.i would post his name but he isn't in thids argument. tske it as you want but if i ever went back to a stock 220 there would be no way in hell i would put a true aircraft ring in it.i did it once and it ate the cyclender up.but hey i am not a motor build just trying to pass on some info to a friend that was passed on to me by a very good friend.

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CONTINENTAL CRACKER wrote:
dblj006 wrote:
You can't run aircraft rings in a gpu cylinder. Really man. Seriously.

Steel rings~chrome cylinders~aircraft
Chrome rings~steel cylinders~military gpu

For .015 ring sets they cost so much because they just do not make them very often anymore.
There is you answer!!!

Pretty much the advise you have gotten from "this guy who's builder did this" is WRONG! The guys posting here are right. You should listen to them or call one of the many many GPU builders out there and get the right advice.






for you to say that the person that told me this information is wrong.i think this man has been building hulls and motors before you ever had an air boat. but to each his own i will listen to the folks that have been buildind boat and motor for over fourty years and has one of the be reputation around. just my two cents.i can also sat he has one about every class there has been in raceing one time or another,except for the unlimited class.i would post his name but he isn't in thids argument. tske it as you want but if i ever went back to a stock 220 there would be no way in hell i would put a true aircraft ring in it.i did it once and it ate the cyclender up.but hey i am not a motor build just trying to pass on some info to a friend that was passed on to me by a very good friend.


I wasn't referring to your post. And I agree with you. Sorry man.

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WHICH ONE DOES YOU/YOUR BUD HAVE , THAT WOULD HELP ALOT :mrgreen:

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O-470 -- {5.00 / 4.00 / 471.2} / {127.0 / 101.6 / 7722}

Same bore and stroke as O-315.
Same stroke as O-346, O-520.
Developed initially for the U.S. Army Air Force during WW II.
Separate E-185, E-225, and E-260 designations dropped by c.1964. Some versions of the O-470 are listed on the TCM Website as indicated below, despite not being listed in the referenced literature since about 1970.

6cyl; E-165; 165hp@2050rpm; 1944-1953; Wt = 344-351#; TC = 246 in c.1947.
J47toJ52-53; S; W46toW51.
Applications: (France) Boisavia B-602 Mercurey. (US) AeroFlight Streak 165 (AFA-3); Beech 35 Bonanza prototype, Fulton FA-2 Airphibian flying auto; Luscombe 11A Sedan; Piper PA-6 Sedan.

6cyl; E-185; 185hp@2300rpm; 1947-1957; Wt = 343-352#; TC = 246 in c.1947.
AY51,52,60; J48toJ56-57; W46toW55.
Applications: (Argentina) AVI HF2/185 agricultural and utility. (Brazil) Casmuniz 52 twin. (Italy) Macchi MB-320 twin. (Netherlands) Fokker F-25 Promoter. (UK) Auster C.6 Atlantic. (US) Beech 35, A35 through F35 Bonanza, 45 Mentor (prototype); Goodyear GA-22 Drake [NX 5515M]; Luscombe 11A Sedan; NAA/Ryan Navion, Navion A.

6cyl; E-225; 225hp@2650rpm; 1950-1966; Wt = 347-363#; TC = 267 on 7/12/50.
AY51,52,60; FEW; J50-51toJ56-57; W51toW66-67.
Applications: (Brazil) I.P.D. Beija-Flor BF-1 helicopter. (US) AeroFlight Streak 225 (AFA-4); Beech F35 & G35 Bonanza; Fletcher FL-23, FD-25; Goodyear GA-22A Drake [NX/NC 5516M]; NAA/Ryan Navion, Navion A, B; Texas A&M Ag-1 (initial version).


6cyl; XO-470-3, -5, -9; 267-275hp@3200rpm; 1947-1953; Wt = 471-502#; TC = none.
Military versions for vertical operation in helicopters.
AMC; J53-53toJ53-54; W47toW54.
Applications: (US) Bell Model 54 (XH-15, H-15); Camair 480 Twin Navion.

6cyl; O-470-7; 205hp@3200rpm; 1947-1955; Wt = 338#; TC = none.
Military versions similar to E-185.
AMC; J47toJ55-56; W47toW56.
Applications: (US) NAA/Ryan Navion (L-17A, B, C).

6cyl; O-470-11, -15; 190hp@2300rpm; 1950-1965; Wt = 391-405#; TC = 269 on 1/19/51.
Military versions only; both versions have Takeoff power of 213@2600 (which is the familiar quoted rating for the L-19, O-1 series).
AY60; J51-52toJ64-65; W51toW70.
Applications: (Chile) Fanaero Chincol. (US) Cessna 305 (L-19A, D through E, OE-1, O-1A, B, D through G) Bird Dog.

6cyl; O-470-13, -4; 225hp@2600rpm; 1950-1965; Wt = 391-405#; TC = 269 on 1/19/51.
Military versions only.
AY60; J51-52toJ64-65; W51toW70.
Applications: (US) Beech 45 Mentor (YT-34, T-34A & B); Temco 33 Plebe.

6cyl; O-470; 225-240hp@2600rpm; 1951-present; Wt = 378-495#; TC = 273 on 12/4/52.
Civilian versions only of O-470 series.
AY60; J51-52toJ67-68; W51toW70.
Applications: (Australia) Kingsford Smith Auster J/5G Super Autocar [VH-ADY]. (France) S.U.C. 11-G Supercourlis. (Germany) Dornier Do 27 Q3. (India) Hindustan (HAL) HAOP-27 Krishak. (Indonesia) Akasamitra ST-220; LIPNUR PZL-104 Gelatik (license-built Wilga). (Italy) Nardi FN-333 Riviera amphibian. (Japan) Fuji LM-1 Nikko. (Poland) PZL-104 Wilga C, CD, CP, CR, CS. (UK) Auster B.8 Agricola. (US) Cessna 180, 180A through 180K, 182, 182A through 182R Skylanes, 188 AgWagon, 310, 310A, 310B (U-3A); Fletcher FU-24; Meyers 200; Northern (formerly Bellanca) 14-19, 14-19-2 Cruisemasters; Ryan Navion A, D; Taylorcraft 20 Ranch Wagon, 20AG Topper.

6cyl; IO-, LIO-470; 240@2400rpm-260@2625; 1957-present; Wt = 400-475#; TC = 273 & TC = 3E1 on 10/14/58.
IO-470-A, -C are under TC = 273; IO-470-D and higher (alphabetically) models are under TC = 3E1.
AY60; J52-53toJ77-78; W59-60toW70.
Applications: (Argentina) DINFIA IA-53 agplane. (Australia) Yeoman YA-1 Cropmaster 250R. (Brazil) CONAL W-151. (Indonesia) Nurtanio NU-260. (Italy) Aer Lualdi L.59 helicopter; Nardi FN-333 Riviera amphibian, FN-333W Riviera seaplane; Procair F.15C Picchio. (Italy-US) Aermacchi-Lockheed AL60-1, AL60-B1. (Japan) Shin Meiwa (de Havilland Heron re-engined as) SM/DH 114-TAW. (New Zealand) Air Parts (N.Z.) Fletcher FU-24 agplane. (UK) Beagle A.115 (AOP Mk.11), B.206X [G-ARRM] twin. (US) Beech 33 Debonair, 95-55, 95-A55, 95-B55, 95-B55A & 95-B55B (T-42A) Baron; Cessna 185, 185A through 185E Skywagons, 188, 188A, 188B AgWagons, 210, 210A through 210C, 210-5 (205), 210-5A (205A), 310, 310C through 310Q, E310H, E310J, 310J-1 (U-3B); Meyers 200A through 200C; Ryan Navion A, E, F, G Rangemaster.

6cyl; SO-470; 280-300hp@N/Arpm; 1953-1954; Wt = N/A; TC = none.
W53toW54.
Applications: (US) Custer CCW-5 Channel Wing.

6cyl; GSO-470; 300hp@N/Arpm; 1953-1957; Wt = N/A; TC = none.
Geared to 0.69; otherwise like SO-470.
FEW; W53toW57.
Applications: (US) Texas A&M Ag-1 (later version).

6cyl; FSO-470; 260hp@3000rpm; 1955-1957; Wt = 533# (incl. fan); TC = 281 on 2/2/55.
This had a cooling fan for horizontal application to helicopters.
AY51,52; J52-53toJ56-57; W53toW57.
Applications: (US) Cessna CH-1 (YH-41, NH-41 Seneca).

6cyl; O-470-2 Military; 250hp@2600rpm; 1955-1957; Wt = 484#; TC = 281 on 2/2/55.
Supercharged, geared to N/A version otherwise similar to civilian O-470-K; may also have been known earlier as GE-260 for its take-off power.
AY60; J52-53toJ57-58; W53toW56.
Applications: (US) Cessna 321 (OE-2, O-1C).

6cyl; TSIO-470; 260hp@2600rpm; 1960-1981; Wt = 427#; TC = 3E3 on 9/9/60.
J60-61toJ77-78; W62-63toW70.
Applications: (Italy) Aermacchi-Aerfer AM-3. (Italy-US) Aermacchi-Lockheed AL60-2, AL60-B2. (US) Cessna 320 Skyknight.

6cyl; GIO-470; 310hp@3200rpm; 1962-1971; Wt = 461#; TC = 2CE on 4/30/62.
Geared to 0.75.
Built under license agreement by Rolls Royce, see W62-63.
J62-63toJ71-72; W62-63toW70.
Applications: (Italy-US) Aermacchi-Lockheed AL60-B3. (New Zealand) Air Parts (N.Z.) Fletcher FU-24 agplane. (UK) Beagle B.206Y [G-ARXM], B.206Z1, Z2 [XS742, XS743], B.206C, B.206R (Basset CC.1) twins.


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dblj006 wrote:
CONTINENTAL CRACKER wrote:
dblj006 wrote:
You can't run aircraft rings in a gpu cylinder. Really man. Seriously.

Steel rings~chrome cylinders~aircraft
Chrome rings~steel cylinders~military gpu

For .015 ring sets they cost so much because they just do not make them very often anymore.
There is you answer!!!

Pretty much the advise you have gotten from "this guy who's builder did this" is WRONG! The guys posting here are right. You should listen to them or call one of the many many GPU builders out there and get the right advice.






for you to say that the person that told me this information is wrong.i think this man has been building hulls and motors before you ever had an air boat. but to each his own i will listen to the folks that have been buildind boat and motor for over fourty years and has one of the be reputation around. just my two cents.i can also sat he has one about every class there has been in raceing one time or another,except for the unlimited class.i would post his name but he isn't in thids argument. tske it as you want but if i ever went back to a stock 220 there would be no way in hell i would put a true aircraft ring in it.i did it once and it ate the cyclender up.but hey i am not a motor build just trying to pass on some info to a friend that was passed on to me by a very good friend.


I wasn't referring to your post. And I agree with you. Sorry man.



THANKS MAN I REAKY APPDERICATE THE,LIKE I SAID HE IS ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED A/M MAN. AND DECK PVER BUILDER.THAT WHY WHEN I BOUGHT MY 220 CYCLENDER I DI AS HE A ASK ED ME TO DO.AND ALL I WIS TRINGT TO PAS ON THE INFO THAT WAS PASTED ON TO NE

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kevin your english is bad as mine heufhw3ofo9dffo2ejfclenclwed :lol: :lol:

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