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 Post subject: ford engine air boat
PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:24 am 
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hi everyone,
newbe here,i want to build an air boat with 351 cleveland engine for power
has anyone done that or have any advice on belt drives and props i would appreciate any help.
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The only thing I know about a Ford on an Airboat is,a buddy had one built by a replicable engine builder and it would not stay together.I think you will find automotive engine of choice will be Cadillac or Chevy.


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Ford = FIX OR REPAIR DAILY :lol:



do a search I think there was a post somewhere about one of the builder who do a ford before

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GTO was doing Ford powerplants weren't they? From what I've heard they are heavy. I've also heard that the gearbox ratios don't work out, and that is the reason that they won't stay together, but these are things that I have heard.

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Prioty1 has one.
Here it is:
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I ain't got anything to say about them good or bad.
All I can say is that's one good looking set-up in the photo.
That's a big wheel he's turn'in.
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Thanks Cowboy

I still seem to have problems posting pic's.

633 I have the boat pictured above it's a Diamond Back 15 x 8 with a 460ci ford and a Rotator 2.37:1 gear box swinging a Sensenich 82" three blade Super Wide, I have had no problems with the motor or gear box combo. "I don't beat it and I baby it either" I have pulled a 21' bass boat that was HIGH and DRY back to water as well as other air boats "I bring it up only to show that a Ford motor can handle the stresses applied to it in the air boat environment"

I have no idea on what the average air boat weighs, but I had mine weighed and she came in at 2650lbs that's full of fuel and all the other crap I have stowed on the boat. Now that maybe alot I don't know, but a friend of mine has a 14 X 7'6 Diamond Back and a 383 stroker motor and a Belt Box and I came in 100lbs heavier than his.

I believe Franklin makes a belt drive unit that bolts up directly to a 460 ford or you can get the adapter plate (which is the same adapter you would use for a Power Glide Transmission) and use one of the gear boxes Rotator or Stinger.

Which ever combo you choose you came to the right place for information...


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I have heard that the 514 Ford combo is real hard to beat and will make a mountain of torque, the 514 is a stroked 460. I know there are several boat out there running this set up.

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I would build a Big inch Windsor that would be the perfect Ford airboat motor. The BBFord stuff are killer torque blobs and make great sled pull motors but they are HEEEEEEAAAAAAVVVVVYYYYYYY!

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 Post subject: Ford guys
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633wrench,

Firtst...welcome to Southern Airboat :cheers:

Yep, you're in the right place alright. UncleBubba had a pretty stout little 302 DD boat last year. GTO did sell boats with the 460 option, (I aint' seen it on their website for awhile now). Stan has a buddy up there with one of Norm's(GTO) 460's.

And I've got 4 small blocks just waiting to spank some chebbys in the future :twisted:

Go for the Roush 347 stroked if you wanna go large! (It's a 302 based 4 bolt that's stroked) :naka:

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351W you can go well over 400CUI's

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:19 pm 
Ahhhhh The Ford powerplant in a airboat??? Nice idea. Dave is right about the BBF...It's pretty heavy, but is a monster when built with new thinking. Now a Windsor based SBF?.....Big power with less weight than a SBC using the same thinking. Last year I built a 357" 8.7" deck SBF that made over 800HP and weighed less than a 350 Chevrolet. Not as light as an LS1, but that was with an iron block...Food for thought. The Cleveland? The blocks are very weak and parts for the shortblock are hard to come by. The heads are awesome (relatively speaking) for higher RPM, but tend to be lazy even when using a 2V casting. Main advantage of the Cleveland...The deck height and the crankshaft journal diameters vs the 351 Windsor..Modern SBFs use all the best features and drop the weaknesses of the factory platforms

I can't wait for people to wake up to the thought of the SBF as an alternative, especially since many of you bleed blue. The BBF? I love em.....But even in all aluminum...Pretty damn heavy....Will swing a lot of wood, but...Better truck-pull engine IMHO, unless you want an extreme HP application to push one of the giant barges I've come to know and hate.

I'll be happy to help where I can no matter what choice regardless.


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I like 302's, 351W and 460's. Driven some wicked 351W's, and 460's. Pretty stock 302, (4bbl, headers and cam) is a pretty nice engine.


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I have built hot Ford motors and so has my friend. You can build a BBF with aluninum heads & intake to cut the weight. A set of SVO heads for a BBF are only 1200 dollars and the stock 460 rods can handle 800hp. I don't know who started the rumor that Ford motors are weak but that is not true. You can beat a ford motor like a cheap drum and it will hold together. I f I was not running a Caddy I would have either a 455old or a 514 ford.

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Hey,
Nice post'in Felber.
Glad to see it.
It's been a while.


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 Post subject: Ford engines
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Felber,

It is truly good to see you posting again. It's also awesome to see someone with your engine building knowledge that is not bias to the one dominant airboat car engine manufactor.

633wrench, we've (Ford guys) always kinda been put in the back of the class by the re-drive manufactors in respect to what we can do with Ford engines and airboating. Maybe this will change in the near future? I sure hope so....

How bout these bad boys!

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetai ... toview=sku

or this one...

http://www.roushperformance.com/pdfs/40 ... _Sheet.pdf

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Here is some FORD POWER for you direct drive guys...
1100 cubic inch All Aluminum Block
500 hp Capable of much more
1050 foot lbs/torque
Factory Billet Crank
Shaft driven DOHC 4 valves per cylinder and dual mags


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Will you take one of my children in trade for that motor? :D

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crowhater wrote:
Will you take one of my children in trade for that motor? :D


I heard that :D I'll bid 4 kids. Then maybe i could afford just starting it once in a while,lol

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That must be the John Holmes of Mustangs! :shock:


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 Post subject: Ford airboats
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Priority1,

I'll up the annie' to 2 kids and 2 grandkids :D

Is that thing real :shock:

See they even put the distributor in the front where it spose to be! I think that's a distributor aint' it :roll:

Awesome Stang! Vette spanker for sure!

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Welcome back Felber :D Well I have two ford trucks and to tell you the truth I think each and every motor manufacture has it's strong points.


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did I read that right, 500HP ?

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what about the old ford 300 I6? I know they make some torque and and last forever. might be heavy, but for someone on a real tight budget you could get an old hull for a couple hundred, get a junkyard 300, build a stand and a pancake cage, throw some seats in there, get a used prop for a few hundred and for less than 1,200 or so have something to go ride around in. not pretty or glamerous or very high performance but I appreciate any airboat and they are all unique in there own way. Anybody know of any 300's used in the past?


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It's for real the motor was built in the 1940's for the Sherman Army Tanks.
Dual mags and yes Basket they are were they should be up front
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Hey Northwest,
Here's one:
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I really like that boat.
It belongs to Larry's family.
Keep waiting to see that rig in the marsh!
It's a Chevy I-6.

Dont know why a ford would'nt do just as well.


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